Historians Sue Trump To Stop Him From Destroying Presidential Records

Two groups of historians are preemptively suing the Trump administration to prevent them from destroying presidential records before they leave office. Doing so would be a violation of the Presidential Records Act, but given the fact that we have seen countless violations of this act during the administration, it is certainly possible that they would violate it again by destroying sensitive materials on their way out the door. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains what’s happening.

Link – https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/05/trump-presidential-records-lawsuit-historians/

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*This transcript was generated by a third-party transcription software company, so please excuse any typos.

Two groups of historians have now filed a preemptive lawsuit. And they have since been joined by several other organizations, watchdog organizations, and historical organizations in order to prevent Donald Trump from, as they say, having a bonfire in the Rose garden of presidential records before he leaves office, here’s their concern. Obviously the presidential records act basically says any and all communications that happen, uh, written down emails, text messages, all of that, that happens within an administration have to be preserved. There have to be copies of it. That is part of the presidential records act. That is a federal law. You have to abide by that. You cannot tear things up. You cannot have them shredded, you cannot burn them. You cannot delete them. Those have to stay. And as we have reported and many others have over the years, Trump has a really, really bad habit of just ignoring that law.

And of course never being punished for it. Uh, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump also do as well. Jared Cushner as has been reported has used several personal accounts, email accounts, what’s app accounts to conduct official business. And there is no record of that. Uh, no record of the conversations there’s records that had happened, no records of the conversation. And yes, those conversations do have to be preserved according to the presidential records act. So these historical groups and watchdog organizations are coming together to Sue this administration, to forbid them from destroying any more documents. They have been destroying them all throughout this administration. And sometimes staffers do have to go back and they’ll find papers that Trump has ripped up because apparently according to reports, that’s what he does after he finished his reading. He just tears them up. Um, and staffers have had to go back and individually tape them all back together to preserve them so that they comply with the presidential records act.

I wholeheartedly support these lawsuits, absolutely 100%, but at the same time, we also understand, and I think these groups probably know this too. Even if they’re successful, Trump’s still not going to listen to it. I mean, it’s already a law that he has to follow and he’s choosing to not follow. So I’m not exactly sure, like what they think is going to happen. Like, ah, now there’s a law and a court case that says you have to do it. And he’s just going to say, okay, I’m still not doing it. So what are you going to do? Because that’s the way this man operates. So unfortunately, to just be realistic, there’s going to be plenty of records. They get destroyed forever. The only hope. And this is the, the big hope like with the staffers who were going back and taping things up is that there are enough staffers there who that it’s against the law to do this.

And they have been preserving them and submitting them, you know, to the national archives, as long as that continues to happen. And as long as their staffers who were kind of picking up the pieces behind the scenes, we might, might get a decent amount of records off of this administration. We might get to learn about some of the things they’ve been doing that have been behind closed doors, but we probably need to know about maybe.

35 Comments

  1. Marryann C on December 7, 2020 at 9:12 pm

    Is anyone really surprised he’s destroyed documents & thumbed his nose at the law?

  2. Tim Hannah on December 7, 2020 at 9:12 pm

    LOCK HIM UP SHOW HIM that HE’S not above the LAW !!!

  3. Mark Hackett on December 7, 2020 at 9:17 pm

    You don’t go for trump, you go for the power. Any order derived from a non-offical presidential recorded source is invalid as a defence against legal actions taken against the people personally enforcing those claims. If kushner tells someone on his private email server that isn’t backed up for presidential records, to go and do something, the person doing it can be personally held liable for doing it, and cannot beg off with "but I was ordered by government!", because they were not, in fact, ordered by government.
    The unofficial antics already taken don’t need a new law to state this, because the rules are that orders have to come from legitimate sources. A private email server isn’t one. Twiter isn’t one. Facebook isn’t one. So those people fired because trump sent a twitter post can sue the people who actually did the act, because the act was not a valid order from the president.

  4. Snake Man on December 7, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    That is the big problem with Trump. He has never been taken to task for the many dirty things he has done.

  5. Mike S on December 7, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    Lol a new record has just been broken by the one that held the record of being sued.

  6. Jack Rasmussen on December 7, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    Where are his conversations with Putin? OH! He ripped them up. Wonder why he would do that?

  7. Don Lowe on December 7, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    It’s just another lawsuit to trump the LOSER DUMBASS.

  8. Logical Thinker on December 7, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    His presidential record is a disgrace and he knows it.

  9. yourthesecret on December 7, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    Jokes on them they don’t care. Courts won’t stop thier lawlessness.

  10. Pierre Delebriosky on December 7, 2020 at 9:28 pm

    He hasn’t followed any rules as president and he won’t do it now, if he doesn’t destroy them he will be more guilty than he already is, if that’s even possible.

  11. Nige G on December 7, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    I’m lead to believe, if you delete emails etc or anything on a computer, the records are stored somewhere? As you can tell I’m a novice.

  12. kimberly oneal on December 7, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    That vindictive demon is committed on destroying the Whitehouse down to the ground!

  13. Tyler Hackner on December 7, 2020 at 9:30 pm

    I hope they win

  14. RJ Dorian. 2795 on December 7, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    He’s trying to erase records but I really hope he gets sue.

  15. David Hinsley on December 7, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    Will they get a copy if the secure server, with his extortion calls to world leaders and his other calls to the despots and strong arm leaders. Can they do a mirroring of it, so if he sends someone to cease it, and keep the Biden Admin any access, and at least listen to his phone calls for treasonous ways

  16. keimador Keimador on December 7, 2020 at 9:37 pm

    The Dark Side is very strong in this one

  17. Asa Tyrson on December 7, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    As "We" "stand on Zanzibar," in this "Brave New world." I witness, being a "stranger in a strange Land,"their self induced "Fahrenheit 451" book burning parties as "big brother" disguises himself as freedom, inciting them to vote for their own demise.

    Or Trump can F🤬ck off.

  18. Old Soul on December 7, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    they can sue all day long, it doesn’t matter. tRump & his enablers r just gonna do it anyway then look at America & ask what r u gonna do? & America’s response will be absolutely nothing – so, good luck preventing this from happening … #SupportIndependentMedia

  19. Ohma Zi-o on December 7, 2020 at 9:41 pm

    Trump is already this century’s worst president!

  20. Michael Smith on December 7, 2020 at 9:44 pm

    Keep suing him because he deserves to lose everything!

  21. Caitlin Zornes on December 7, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    He doesn’t care about knowledge for the sake of knowledge, the stupid amoeba.

  22. 傭兵Cloud on December 7, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    Because Trump only cares about money and image. The guy is a swallow man child.

  23. grannypantsification on December 7, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    Since when has any law affected the Trump family or prevented them from doing whatever they pleased? There has never been a bit of consequence for any law he has broken. There never will be.

  24. Nick Taylor on December 7, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    He will burn them

    And pardon whoever

  25. Edwin Nakamura on December 7, 2020 at 9:55 pm

    Too late, I bet his admin working OT shredding criminal evidence!! Eviction day coming up, w so much corruption committed, it’s wonders there’s no bon fires around the WH!

  26. Cindy Klenk on December 7, 2020 at 9:55 pm

    Once its in a server – the paper is meaningless, and good luck trying to track down all the servers and HD’s – so burn away you orange seditionist.

  27. Patricia Cardona on December 7, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    Trump’s see themselves above the law.

  28. SKPjoe Coursegold on December 7, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    if it’s against the law…………………………………………tRUMP will do it.

  29. eruis 313 on December 7, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    Of course he wants all the paper work gone… it will only prove the lies, the b.s. and all the crap he’s been doing

  30. RandomRobin on December 7, 2020 at 10:03 pm

    Nothing is really stopping him from destroying them, then pardoning himself because it would be a federal crime.

  31. Joseph Zapata on December 7, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    Traitor trump is intentionally committing high crimes and only to pardon them all, that is numerous endless list of obstruction of justice charges!!

  32. alli KathrNabi on December 7, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    I’m Alone 😍😥

  33. Mike S on December 7, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    His own cabinet is the swamp, criminal apprentice House of Terrorists edition.

  34. Tyler Hackner on December 7, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    I hope the historians win

  35. Fortitudine Vincimus on December 7, 2020 at 10:10 pm

    Hmmm… it’s almost like there’s a reason why Trump is destroying presidential records. I wonder what it could be?

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